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An Odd Reason Why I Like Google Wave

Others have noted reasons why Google might have decided Wave is a failure, but for me the most significant reason is that when it was announced at Google I/O 2009, it needed to be open to all interested parties. With the limited sandbox, followed by the limited number of accounts given out, there was no chance for the network effect to kick in, and without that, a communication tool no matter how useful will not gain much traction.

I still use Google Wave, along with several of my co-workers. Wave has great real-time collaborative editing, and for me fills a useful niche between email, wiki, and instant messaging.

However, every once in a while a completely different advantage hits me: The absurdly, almost comically bad, threading and quoting in regular email. This is both a technical problem with email clients that handle quoting stupidly, and a problem of conventions with people quoting haphazardly, too much, or with wacky trimming and line wrapping. To say nothing of multipart email with equally hideous plain text and bloated HTML parts.

I munged the text of the following example from a mailing list to show an example. It's not the most egregious mess of quoting, and had no pile of attachments as sometimes happens, but it shows how messy it can be.

In Wave, replies and quoting were quite a bit better. Not perfect, but nothing like this. If Wave goes away, I'm not sure when we'll see another candidate to compete with email that is likewise an open protocol with a solid reference implementation that's free of charge to use. It's a shame.

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5 comments:

Ethan Rowe said...

Google Wave Considered Harmful.

The visual noise of concurrent, distributed editing within a threaded text conversation as enabled through Google Wave has been proven to drive certain individuals to fits of rage and frustration.

This has been shown to lead to broken headsets and overtaxed vocal chords.

Use of Google Wave is thus discouraged.

Ethan Rowe said...

Jon Jensen Considered Harmful.

Jon Jensen has been known to publish quoted emails in the context of rants. While not obviously harmful in any direct sense, this author feels that Mr. Jensen should be punished for his actions.

Use of Mr. Jensen is thus discouraged.

Jon Jensen said...

ETHAN THANK YOU FOR YOUR MESSAGE! SEE MY COMMENTS IN ALL CAPS BOLD RED.

SORRY I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THIS EMAIL WILL MAKE SENSE TO YOU.

JON


On 31 Aug 2010 12:17:00 AM EDT, Ethan Rowe wrote:

> Google Wave Considered Harmful.
> I'M NOT SURE WHY YOU THINK THAT.
>
> The visual noise of concurrent, distributed editing > within a threaded text conversation as enabled
> through Google Wave has been proven to drive certain
> individuals to fits of rage and frustration.
>
> This has been shown to lead to broken headsets and
> overtaxed vocal chords.
> YOUR VOCAL CHORDS ARE ALL IN A MINOR KEY IS PROBABLY YOUR PROBLEM!!!
> Use of Google Wave is thus discouraged.

Ethan Rowe said...

Vocal Chords Considered Helpful

They enhance your cords.

Brian Gadoury said...

Gentlemen, you can't fight in here. This is the war room!